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Hottest Mess 2025 - Community's Choice! (Vote for 3)

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Poll Hottest Mess 2025 - Community's Choice! (Vote for 3) (40 votes)

AbleGamers 5%
The Alters 0%
Amazon 0%
Apple 0%
Bungie 10%
Christopher Barrett 0%
Collective Shout 23%
Discord 0%
Electronic Arts 18%
The First Descendent 0%
Fortnite 0%
GameStop 3%
Gamurs 3%
Green Games Showcase 3%
God Is A Geek 0%
Krafton 13%
Microsoft 68%
MindsEye 28%
Moon Studios 0%
NetEase 0%
Niantic 0%
Nintendo 3%
Puzzles & Dragons 0%
Randy Pitchford 15%
Riot Games 0%
Sega 0%
Sony 0%
Splitgate 2 8%
Square-Enix 0%
Steam 0%
Take-Two Interactive / Rockstar 3%
Ubisoft 5%
The United States Government 45%
Unity 0%
Valnet 3%
WB Games 3%
Other (Explain in the Comments) 10%
Hott Messi heralding another community choice, using his signature glass of plastic-bottle liquor! (image credit: Seth Rorabaugh)
Hott Messi heralding another community choice, using his signature glass of plastic-bottle liquor! (image credit: Seth Rorabaugh)

Last week, I unveiled the final candidates for 2025's Hottest Mess competition, which you can read as a refresher for your selection(s). And boy, what a competition it's been! Some of the contenders couldn't wait for the poll, such as Krafton's CEO pulling a Rick-James-on-Eddie-Murphy's-couch reversal, or Ubisoft mysteriously halting all trading of its shares hours before they were supposed to release earnings results. Late contenders such as Soulja Boy stealing and rebranding someone else's device as his own barely made the voting cutoff. But don't let that stop you from nominating anyone! There's an Other (Explain in the Comments) option for a reason, after all.

Voting is the same as previous years: choose up to three of your favorite Hot Messes, and explain why you picked them if you'd like. In years past, I've used the comments as tiebreakers, and I always give at least one runner-up slot to whatever sparks the most discussion. Similarly, I like to give an honorable mention to anything I didn't track. And if you pick more than three options, I'm going to find out who did it... and probably do nothing about it.

The biggest difference from previous years is that based on the timing, I'll be posting the results on the new website in December. I have no idea how that's going to work yet, but I will make it as big as the format allows me to. The Mess will live on, at least if all the players in this year's competition have anything to say about it.

Previous Winners (and Runners-Up):

2024 - Ubisoft (with Concord, GameStop, Microsoft, and "All Of This Shit")

2023 - The Embracer Group's Leadership (with Unity, Jirard "The Completionist" Khalil, Twitter, The Day Before, and Layoffs in General)

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My choices ended up being: Microsoft, EA, and Collective Shout.

The first two were "winners" by a mile. For the third one I strongly considered the US Govt, MindsEye, and Krafton.

Ultimately I decided against US Govt because, while it is the hottest mess in the world generally speaking, its effects are so much broader than just video games, and so I'm not sure it really belongs in this category. I was looking for something that's more specific to the video game world.

As for the other two, they are definitely hot messes, but also... I don't really care? It's entertaining enough to follow the trash fires, but I'm not actually interested in either game or company, so for me they were pretty abstract. The whole Collective Shout thing, on the other hand, hits close to home since I'm LGBTQIA+ myself. So it got the tiebreaker.

As far as hot messes not on here, I don't think it's as spectacular as most of the listings and has sort of been ongoing for a while, but the lawsuit by the Louisiana AG against Roblox that @zombiepie blogged about in August got my attention. Before reading that I hadn't really been aware of what a trash fire that game is so far as child exploitation goes.

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I'm going to choose Roblox for my other because AI is bad, censorship and anti-queer actions are bad, but it takes a special kind of idiocy to have one of the most popular games for children then let it devolve into an exploitation den.

The thing that really pushed me over is ads with lawyers saying "We can get you settlements if your child was exploited on roblox!" When even local injury lawyers have started pushing Roblox lawsuit ads you know stuff has really gone downhill there and it must be even worse than reported.

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I don't think I have a clear front runner but I'll go with:
1) The U.S. Motherfucking Government for their work in forever co-opting all SEO for "games politics"
2) Collective Shout for Most Awful and the one that might end up with the realest consequences
3) EA because there is so much potential for future mess and I want to get in on the ground floor!

All in all, a less fun year for messes. Its one thing when there's a food fight at the kids table, but now the adults have had too much to drink and getting a bit yelly and also they want to replace all the kids with A.I. or something.

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Late dishonorable mention goes to Black Ops 7 using ugly AI art in place of real art for gamertag IDs. I'm sure there might be some more messes that will come out, even though 2025 is almost over.

My Picks:

1. Roblox. Yes, the other messes more so have to do with business practices and failures, but Roblox is worse, because they knowingly let predators use their platform and create games to prey upon children. On top of this, they went out of their way the last couple of years banning and even suing content creators who were pointing this out and trying to stop it. It wasn't until this went viral and mainstream news began covering it that the people behind Roblox even acknowledge that it was even a problem. Even politicians began calling them out. That is a huge mess.

2. Microsoft. What else is there to say that hasn't already been said. They completely destroyed their Xbox division. They cancelled some of their most anticipated games, with more to come. Their aggressive investment into AI has ruined other aspect of their company. They partnered with Asus to release a lackluster Xbox version of a ROG Ally. They raised the price of Game Pass to the point it is no longer the best deal in gaming. They are trying to get into the PC/Hybrid space, but Valve beat them to it with the Steam Machine, which many predict will be a lot better than whatever Microsoft plans to do, because of them using the much interface friendly Linux, instead of the clubber some Windows 11. It seems like they are stuck in quick sand and every choice they make, causes them to sink even deeper.

3. Splitgate 2. People talk about Mindseye, and I understand why. But Splitgate 2 might be the biggest example of self-sabotage I've seen in years. The game had a lot of momentum. It was doing well during beta test and many people were excited about it. That all changed when the lead developer went on stage during Summer Gamefest wearing a modified MAGA hat and acting like a douchebag. All the hype and excitement died, and so do the player numbers. It got so bad that they took the game offline, claiming they are working to fix it. Yes, there might have had some in-game issues, but the backlash of "Make FPS Great Again" killed it. And I don't think it is coming back. Even if it does, like Multiverse, it won't last long. Even worse, the guy who pretty much killed this game, claims he doesn't regret what he did. He learned nothing.

That's my top three for now.

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1. Microsoft

2. Mindseye

3. Ubisoft

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THis is my top three:

Collective Shout - Along with other extremist organizations, force digital storefronts to pull "porn" and LGBTQIA+ games from sale.

Electronic Arts - Between laying people off, announcing they had been purchased by the Saudi PIF with the help of Jared Kushner's firm...and PUTTING themselves in debt in teh process =I think EA boned.

Microsoft - XBox seemingly makes smaller profits than their other 'criminal cartel' business. But instead of being HAPPY they make good profits the board/ceo is trying to force Xbox Div to making more money while risking ANY future for the brand. And, what MS is doing to developers and studios is making people lose jobs, destroy years of work making games, and just making everyone miserable while making record profits.

Honorable Mention: Apple sucks. They have always been bad for gamers since after Macintosh. Yet, really why they suck is their entire culture and their fans...insufferable and dumb. When you add in that they flout court order and think they are above the law that my final straw.

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I skipped on voting US government because they just win a broader general hottest mess award. Them being in these options is like Shohei Ohtani showing up to play in a Little League game.

I went with:

1. Microsoft. These days they seem only capable of stepping on rakes, shooting themselves in the feet, and propping up the AI bubble. Broader than gaming, they've started to actively destroy every major product they make either with aggressive monetization, aggressive enshittification, or by cramming them full of either broken or useless AI tech. They doomed millions of perfectly functional PCs to be e-waste with their unnecessary sunsetting of Windows 10 and their business decisions with Xbox have functionally done the same for millions of Xbox consoles. Their CEO seems like he might genuinely have lost touch with reality and is so extremely AI-pilled that it seems like the only way to save Microsoft from the AI death spiral would require an entire leadership change at this point.

Any illusion that the Xbox division is somehow protected from the mindnumbingly stupid decisions Satya Nadella and other senior Microsoft leadership make is gone. Every time Xbox had anything resembling a small win this year, Microsoft would make sure to show up and force them to do something at least an order of magnitude more potent in a negative direction to ensure that Xbox was always on the back foot. Microsoft's current expectations of Xbox are more or less dooming it. The expectations heaped on Xbox are unrealistic and unsustainable. It doesn't help that Xbox's leadership seems to be flailing a lot, but given how ridiculous Microsoft's requirements for them are, you can't really blame them for struggling to deal with the demands of a man who thinks it's totally normal, definitely-not-sociopathic behaviour to have an AI summarize a podcast for him then talk to the AI about the podcast rather than, you know, listen to the podcast and engage with other humans.

The company is completely devoid of ethics now. Between their gross business dealings with fairly demonstrably bad governments around the world (stuff their own employees protest them about from within the company), their willing destruction of the planet at the altars of AI and profits (again, something like an 8 digit number of business PCs became e-waste a few weeks ago), and their leadership's willingness to destroy every ounce of goodwill built up during the Ballmer (and even early Nadella) era to chase marginal profits, there's no real way I can nominate any of the other options as number one. Microsoft has willingly destroyed Xbox and Windows. Xbox were in a good place five years ago to make a decent comeback but Microsoft just couldn't help themselves. They blew up the Game Pass pipeline of new products, removed any reason to buy their products, doubled the price on the one remaining decent service they had, and have nothing to show for it. They've torpedoed everything that was good about them and replaced it all with (AI) garbage.

Microsoft's behaviour has been bad enough that I've decided that until drastic changes are made, I'm no longer using or engaging with any of their products or services. It seems I'm not alone in this. I've seen so many folks express a desire to stop using Windows and other Microsoft products. So much so that it gave me the inspiration to write a series ofblogs on what making the switch to modern Linux is like. Given the response, it's clear I'm not the only one interested in the topic. Let's just say, when the free option built largely by volunteers with no budget is better than the product of a company worth trillions, then something is going drastically wrong at that company.

2. Other - Roblox. Since Roblox is mostly popular with young children, it doesn't tend to get a lot of airtime in enthusiast gaming press. It should though. Roblox is one of the biggest games in the world. It has probably an order of magnitude more players than almost any other game you can think of outside of like Fortnite. This is a huge problem if you pay any attention at all to what's going on with Roblox.

The people running Roblox do not give a singular fuck. Like seriously. They only care about keeping the money train going. They've resisted any and all pressure to clean up the platform and only have caved when lawmakers have threatened to create legislation to force them to clean up their act.

Think of the greediest, most predatory forms of monetization you've seen in games, be they mobile, gacha, or console games. Now think of how that monetization could be made even more cynical and vile. Then think about that monetization being targeted at young children who don't know any better. That's Roblox. Imagine a Counter-Strike like game where you could pay money to get unfair advantages such that other players who don't pay have a miserable time. That's Roblox. Imagine being prompted every time your character dies to spend a dollar to skip having to wait 60 seconds to respawn. That's Roblox. Imagine a game taking over your screen when you try to exit it and having it tell you that you need to pay money to exit the game. That's Roblox. Imagine offering players the ability to pay money to bully other players and ruin their time. That's Roblox. Any of the worst, most manipulative monetization ideas you could come up with are a reality in Roblox. Some of the games in it practically bully kids into spending their in-game currency on them. It's super disgusting in general, and much worse when you remember a huge portion of Roblox players are ages 7-12.

Then, of course, there's the whole "they knew there were groups of child predators operating out in the open on the platform but didn't do anything about it for a long time" thing. They knew about all of this. Anyone engaged with the platform who tried to bring attention to the issue was banned rather than listened to. It took the mainstream media catching a whiff of what was going on then lawmakers threatening legal action for Roblox to finally make even a token gesture towards cleaning the platform up and getting rid of the people blatantly trying to groom children.

Roblox is one of those things where the more you learn about it, the more you believe that it should be shut down. The people operating it have been given ample time to clean up their act but haven't. We need a video game equivalent of a restaurant getting shut down by a health inspector just so it can be done to Roblox. They've been warned and the problems have been known for years. If they still won't deal with them then they shouldn't be allowed to operate as a business anymore.

3. EA. This one's a bummer. As much as I don't like modern EA, they're a historic games company who have a massive catalog of influential games. Even in the last few years despite their extremely dumb CEO they've done some good things. They've been notably good about releasing their catalog of old games with fixes to make them work on modern PCs. Have they been perfect releases? No, but at least they're doing something rather than letting old games languish with no legal means of obtaining them.

But then there's Andrew Wilson and everything else modern EA that makes them such a mess. Their CEO is yet another AI-brained business idiot who is incapable of reading the room. The company's direction in recent times has been troubling as they've been largely going all-in on their sports monetization stuff while releasing fewer and fewer new products. Now it seems like they're about to get bought by people I'd much rather didn't own them and then likely broken up and sold off.

As a more personal one, EA also have destroyed Codemasters, whose games I've played for over a decade now. The latest F1 by all accounts is good but the entire team that made their rally racing games has either been laid off or merged into the F1 team. Their rally racing games were exceptionally good so this is a big loss for me. More frustratingly, they also stopped supporting the most recent rally game, EA Sports WRC, despite the game being in a broken state. In usual EA fashion, they forced the team working on it to add Windows-only anti-cheat to it less than a year after first selling it, killing support for all the people who played it on Linux or Steam Decks. They added that anti-cheat to the game to protect the leaderboards. They did so without ever addressing the real problem: the leaderboards were already broken because they never reset them after patching the game to remove unintended corner cuts, meaning the top ladder times are literally impossible to beat anyway so nobody paid attention to them. So they stopped all Linux and Steam OS support to improperly fix an issue, screwing over a bunch of people who already had paid for the game months earlier.

EA is a major pillar of games and their current trajectory is a really troubling sign for the health of the games industry.

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And as it happens the NYT posted an interview with the Roblox CEO(gift link) today in which he is once again not really acknowledging what a huge problem the child exploitation is. And gets really testy and dickish when pressed about it.

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@atheistpreacher: After reading snippets of that around the web, I resolved to lock Roblox in as one of the Honorable Mentions this year. The predation statistics were part of last year's poll, and naturally the world's largest pedophile repository outside of the White House waited until after I'd posted this.

The one that made my jaw hang open was the CEO viewing predators "not necessarily as a problem, but an opportunity as well". I'd rather find drugs in my kid's backpack than discover them playing this game.

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For sure, Roblox gets my 4th vote, and honestly probably should have edged its way into my top top 3. My brother isn't in the games scene, and as soon as his kid got into Minecraft I called to say "that's cool, you keep him the hell away from Roblox though."

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Voted Microsoft and the US Government. Nothing else is close to that bad so no third.